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hek2sch 23 minutes ago [-]
Any tool having manual human reviewers or annotator like all of Gemini and notebooklm (now Gemini notebook) suffer from this. Your data has high chance being read by random people or being leaked for training because they might flag it then use it to "improve" the model.
rustyhancock 1 hours ago [-]
Really frustrating that our privacy eroded to the point anyone would think this is reasonable.
But it does explain some conversations with Gemini when I wonder why it's talking about particular things. Like asking it about consultation processes for changes to parks only to get a response that's uncannily tuned to the email I got prompting the enquiry.
No mention of I just read your emails etc .
brador 16 minutes ago [-]
Everything’s a pre-structured duopoly for national security and profit moating.
There’s nowhere to go.
mistrial9 42 minutes ago [-]
"search is deeply connected to AI"
in case the reply is not clear, I mean to emphasize and amplify the alarming Google behavior described above
asxndu 59 minutes ago [-]
These things make my blood boil!
Unfortunately, the alternatives are all so bad...
nicce 17 minutes ago [-]
These days it is really a breeze. Email, Drive clone and everything. Just need to invest bit a for hardware.
xnickb 47 minutes ago [-]
Self hosting is not all that bad. If you are willing to do a bit of work you can actually get decent results at a fraction of the cost.
sdoering 2 minutes ago [-]
I am in the process of moving my stuff from Google to selfhosted alternatives. Google Photos => Immich, Google Drive => probably Next Cloud or some better alternative.
I am also looking into how to selfhost my email (and yes I know, the horror of inboxing from self hosting. But I am at the point of not only willing to give it a tr, but actively saying "fuck you" to everybody that does not receive my email, because they are on Outlook or O365 (or Google, bt inboxing into Google is easier imho).
Especially with my paid Google now daily having spam in my inbox, while valid emails are so often in spam, that I have to check spam at least once per week.
easytiger 51 minutes ago [-]
I had a Google Meet Gemini transcription take well over 24hours once recently, rather than the usual <1hr. I could only assume manual intervention was the cause.
It might also explain why Google do not provide a page to view transcription job queues from meet. You just have to sit and wonder
jttnr 32 minutes ago [-]
Of course they do. Now that all the freely available training material has been consumed, every website ingested, every image classified, every YouTube video watched, and even books scanned and destroyed, the insatiable hunger for more data must be fed.
EmX_3000 59 minutes ago [-]
Is anybody surprised? Cat was let out of the bag with those mathies who chatted up AI and then AI stole their thunder.
reasonableklout 33 minutes ago [-]
Yes, this is very surprising to me considering Drive and email are products that have had rock solid trust for decades, and Google is not OpenAI!
realsarm 19 minutes ago [-]
"Rock Solid" Google was known to be privacy invasive. Idk how people trust Google for privacy when it comes to Ai. Look at this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40965892
opengrass 34 minutes ago [-]
If you haven't figured out self hosting then you have what's coming to you.
ninininino 1 hours ago [-]
Guess this is another reason to migrate to local LLMs ASAP.
EGreg 23 minutes ago [-]
This is exactly why I spent most of this year building the new software stack at https://safebots.ai
I am just fed up with people having no choice but to trust giant corporations.
Yes, I liked blockchain in 2018, because it was the only environment where I could really trust the code. But, it was public, slow and expensive. So I invented something new this year, called the Safebox. Imagine if you could run your entire company from one or more Safeboxes in whatever cloud you want, not have to actually manage anything, but trust auditors of your choice to sign off on the software stack. All your data goes in, and no one can exfiltrate it. Your policies and business rules are guaranteed to apply to every single piece of data. Oh, and it's also nigh-unhackable, unlike your on-prem unpatched Linux and 100 employees' laptops. Wouldn't that be nice?
As far as securing the system -- yes there are about 25 layers of isolation and hardening to get through, to pwn the system. Even if you got through all of it, the data can just be restored on a previous system. Here are just some:
6) All network egress goes to a second Safebox, whose job it is to actually enforce policies before signing transactions / sending emails / using your credentials. So even if you totally compromised the first Safebox somehow, or even a single app on it, the policies still get enforced
7) All credentials / keys encrypted and split between Safeboxes
But it does explain some conversations with Gemini when I wonder why it's talking about particular things. Like asking it about consultation processes for changes to parks only to get a response that's uncannily tuned to the email I got prompting the enquiry.
No mention of I just read your emails etc .
There’s nowhere to go.
in case the reply is not clear, I mean to emphasize and amplify the alarming Google behavior described above
Unfortunately, the alternatives are all so bad...
I am also looking into how to selfhost my email (and yes I know, the horror of inboxing from self hosting. But I am at the point of not only willing to give it a tr, but actively saying "fuck you" to everybody that does not receive my email, because they are on Outlook or O365 (or Google, bt inboxing into Google is easier imho).
Especially with my paid Google now daily having spam in my inbox, while valid emails are so often in spam, that I have to check spam at least once per week.
It might also explain why Google do not provide a page to view transcription job queues from meet. You just have to sit and wonder
I am just fed up with people having no choice but to trust giant corporations.
Yes, I liked blockchain in 2018, because it was the only environment where I could really trust the code. But, it was public, slow and expensive. So I invented something new this year, called the Safebox. Imagine if you could run your entire company from one or more Safeboxes in whatever cloud you want, not have to actually manage anything, but trust auditors of your choice to sign off on the software stack. All your data goes in, and no one can exfiltrate it. Your policies and business rules are guaranteed to apply to every single piece of data. Oh, and it's also nigh-unhackable, unlike your on-prem unpatched Linux and 100 employees' laptops. Wouldn't that be nice?
This is my vision: https://safebots.ai/layers.html
You mean the default prompts we use in safebots? https://safebots.ai/safebots.html
As far as securing the system -- yes there are about 25 layers of isolation and hardening to get through, to pwn the system. Even if you got through all of it, the data can just be restored on a previous system. Here are just some:
1) Immutable startup disk, nix-based builds
2) M-of-N signatures on any supply chain updates
3) ZFS based disk encryption and sync
4) Safecloud for storage (https://safebots.github.io/Safecloud)
5) gVisor isolation for all Docker containers
6) All network egress goes to a second Safebox, whose job it is to actually enforce policies before signing transactions / sending emails / using your credentials. So even if you totally compromised the first Safebox somehow, or even a single app on it, the policies still get enforced
7) All credentials / keys encrypted and split between Safeboxes
I could go on...